Let’s talk Twitter Best Practices Going Forward

The purpose of this post and thread is perhaps the beginning of a healthy honest dialogue to the best usage of POAP & Twitter moving forward. Statements & Questions.

  1. Are Daily or regular POAPs in the form of challenge completions acceptable if the distribution is tight and private? Where as completion serves as a memory and the POAP a reward.

  2. Is Derivative art acceptable going forward?

  3. Should POAPs only be reserved for Twitter spaces?

  4. Does the celebration of historical moments at large constitute the creation of a POAP going forward. Example. Birthdays, Holidays, etc.

  5. Should we greater define what is meant by “events”? Open & Closed events.

  6. Should launch of products, books, and other physical goods be rewarded w/ a POAP if proof can be made?

  7. POAPS do create social media engagement. Do we want to deter that behavior or utilize it. Can we discuss this fully.?

  8. What would be the recommended number requests for codes when total attendance or completion is uncertain? What is considered a small, medium, & large request.,

Here is a start. I am in no hurry for response. I believe Twitter can be a great catalyst for POAP creators & collectors. I look forward to thoughts from all. The team, curators, & creators.

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Hey @DrMalachi , thanks for the thoughtful questions. Many of these have been contemplated internally, and we have opinionated policy on the topic. As a guiding light, we look at POAPs as a gift from issuers to collectors, or markers of celebration. To make the analogy, a little candy sometimes is sweet, but too much will give you a stomach ache… in much the same way, we consider that POAPs should be reserved for memories that are truly special.

  1. Are Daily or regular POAPs in the form of challenge completions acceptable if the distribution is tight and private? Where as completion serves as a memory and the POAP a reward.

Although its hypothetically possible that this is done well, in practice, this almost always devolves into somewhat crappy engagement farming, which we really dislike, and will likely have you marked as someone who does things in bad taste. Proceed with extreme caution, and probably better not at all.

  1. Is Derivative art acceptable going forward?

Highly subjective.

  1. Should POAPs only be reserved for Twitter spaces?

POAPs for Twitter spaces, as well as to celebrate social internet “events” (the bid on Richerd’s punk), or even attestation of early support for an idea (issuing POAPs for retweeting a thoughtful post) are acceptable. The devil is always in the details: retroactive celebration (an unexpected POAP) is accepted, while “Retweet this for a POAP!!11” is not.

  1. Does the celebration of historical moments at large constitute the creation of a POAP going forward. Example. Birthdays, Holidays, etc.

As above; use your discretion.

  1. Should we greater define what is meant by “events”? Open & Closed events.

Not sure what you mean here.

  1. Should launch of products, books, and other physical goods be rewarded w/ a POAP if proof can be made?

Generally yes - we especially like use cases that involve giving a POAP to those who attended a launch or purchased a product at launch, provided mint links are distributed individually, in a secure manner that ensures reliable delivery.

Again, this should be retroactive, not “come for the POAP” or “buy this, there’s a POAP”.

  1. POAPS do create social media engagement. Do we want to deter that behavior or utilize it. Can we discuss this fully.?

If it walks like engagement farming, talks like engagement farming, and looks like engagement farming… we’ll call it that. POAP is not for engagement farming.

If you have engagement, and want to periodically commemorate the important stuff, that’s cool.

  1. What would be the recommended number requests for codes when total attendance or completion is uncertain? What is considered a small, medium, & large request.

We use rules of thumb to gage prospective attendance - 5-10% of your audience on Twitter/Discord attending a Twitter space is optimistic, and curators often stop by the event in question to check these assumptions. Small/medium/large is gaged relative to audience/platform size of the issuer, as well as relative to throughput of the protocol. Keep in mind that minting tens of thousands of NFTs a day, every day, is technically non-trivial.

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This is super helpful - thank you!

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This is very insightful and sets boundaries of principal around the POAPs team vision and mission.

Thanks for taking the time to answer.

Dr. Malachi

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I prefer discord more :rofl:

Hey @DrMalachi - I just wanted to appreciate your excellent questions to help all of us improve our understanding of POAP. These questions will be valuable to many people!

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  1. Are Daily or regular POAPs in the form of challenge completions acceptable if the distribution is tight and private? Where as completion serves as a memory and the POAP a reward.
  • I think depending on the challenge/contest it can be great. Anything public asking for follows, RTs I think is in bad taste. But for my server we run like small games or giveaways and it’s just top 5/winners get immediate access to redeem. And they continue until all POAPs have been minted or everyone that wants one gets one.
  1. Is Derivative art acceptable going forward?
  • If OpenSea and platforms allow derivative collections, it would be odd to block them in POAPs
  1. Should POAPs only be reserved for Twitter spaces?
  • NO! Twitter is such a small part of NFTs and locking to only that is very bad imo.
  1. Does the celebration of historical moments at large constitute the creation of a POAP going forward. Example. Birthdays, Holidays, etc.
  • Yes! I think these are celebratory events that deserve a token of participation. Making a POAP for a twitter 30 min meeting seems like a grave misuse of what this could be for. I think in the large picture having people integrate them as participation for various events (more than meetings) is the way to progress and grow effectively.
  1. Should we greater define what is meant by “events”? Open & Closed events.
  • I would suggest making participants describe events more and maybe even offer feedback forms that can factor into the ability of the creator to make more in the future.
  1. Should launch of products, books, and other physical goods be rewarded w/ a POAP if proof can be made?
  • They could, but this is where it can go away from the fun collectible and more for a way for someone to mass farm them or use them in a way to stiff arm buyers.
  1. POAPS do create social media engagement. Do we want to deter that behavior or utilize it. Can we discuss this fully.?
  • I think that’s a very useful method to grow but keeping events to mainly twitter spaces seems counter intuitive. A lot of POAP hunters are just on twitter randomly joining and following spaces to get POAPs.
  1. What would be the recommended number requests for codes when total attendance or completion is uncertain? What is considered a small, medium, & large request.,
  • My first event was 100 and I couldn’t distribute them all- so since then I have kept them all to 50 or under and I request more if I need. Small is <100-250, Medium is 250-1,000, and over 1,000 is large. Large events have the easiest time being taken/stolen from the events or purpose.
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Hey Dr Malachi (and everyone else) something important that we haven’t explained in detail yet; Isabel and I are helping with the establishment of the curation team just for operational reasons. Our opinions aren’t sacrosanct. POAP is a public good. In the near future we expect community leaders like yourself to establish as reliable voices that represent the interests of the collector’s community.

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Thank you for your reply. The desire to not be sacrosanct was very authentic and was helpful. It felt like the preference of a few might guide the whole. You clearly said that is not the case so thank you. Would it be ok if we push back on thoughts in kindness and for the overall good? I have no desire to debate but problem solve and ideate. I have more questions around usage that I think could be helpful. Also ideas I hope would explode usage. I just sent a friend on Twitter an invite to this discourse. Sometimes learning to live in the tension is a good thing for me. You and your team have created something great. I am sure it wasn’t always this popular. You deserve the success. I would very much like to be a key voice & leader going forward. To serve, encourage, and add value.

Thank you. Again.

Dr. Malachi

PS- I would love to have you on a Podcast soon and hear the story of the POAP vision.

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I think POAPs only be reserved for Twitter spaces is too limited, poap is the bookmarks of our life, But twitter is not the whole of our life. we can use poap for twitter , discord, online and offline meeting and so on.

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thank you so much for these clarifications :headphones: @isabel we hope to drop a POAP for a live drawing event we’re doing in Discord this weekend (is there a similar Discord thread?), and am curious what you’d recommend as the best delivery mechanism :rocket:

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Hey @DrMalachi, we’re hosting a community call on the POAP discord channel Friday, 1/14 @ 1pm Eastern time, if you can make it I’d love to give you an opportunity to participate on the stage.

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Hey @ciszek,
I would recommend the degen bot, it can automatically detect people on a Discord stage/voice channel and distribute your POAPs that way.
Have a look at their support Discord server here BanklessDAO Product Support Center

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Count me in. Would love to add value and participate. Thx for the opportunity.

What’s the win look like coming out of the conversation? Just curious? Want to make sure I help you accomplish that.

The win is spending time with friends and improving knowledge of the mission of POAP. It’s a low hanging fruit.

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Perfect, thanks for the note @HeuRea - I’m in their discord and familiar with degen bot; previously I had some success with the original POAP-Bot but then it kept breaking; nice to see you over here.

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In a meeting. Will try to get out and get on the Discord very soon

I also prefer discord. Or we still need something for web2, moving forward to web3

it’s great! I totally agree with your point of view

Yes,cool.
I totally agree with your point of view